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>> u am chris wallace. chilling internet video and a new crime scene in the california shooting rampage. >> it is apparent he was severely mentally disturbed. >> son of a hollywood director, whose familiar alerted police to threat being videos he posted online. we will go to santa barbara where authorities are gathering evidence. >> frustration open right and left with rebound's response to the v.a. scandal. >> notallies prove -- if the aimses prove to be true, it is dishonorable and disgraceful and
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i will not tolerate it. period. >> this is not about one person. it is about the entire system. >> mr. president, we need urge answer. we need you to role up our sleeves and get into the hospitals. >> we will talk with derrick bennett with veterans of america and v.a. whistleblower. plus, the v.a. becomes the latest scandal the president learns about through the media. >> when was the president first made aware of the problems? >> we reported it first from phoenix, i believe, we learned about it through the reports. >> what does this say about president obama's leadership? our sunday panel weighs in. >> russia vows to respect the outcome of today's presidential election in ukraine despite deadly attacks by pro russian rebels. we will have a report from the region. we have a senator from key ever in a fm news sunday exclusive
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and our power player of the week, honoring our nation's veterans with a proper military farewell. >> no amount of money could ever buy the feeling i get from the family when i finish the 24 notes. >> right now. on fox news sunday. >> hello again from fox news in walk. stubbing new developments today in a college student's murderous rampage across a california seaside community. the 22-year-old stabbed three men to death before shooting spree on the streets near the university of california santa barbara. he laid out the plan if a video just hours before the attack but we are not going to play the message and give the killer the spot lit he so clearly wanted. we are beginning to have a report in a few moment from santa barbara. >> pope francis in
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bethlehem, the berth place of jesus during his first visit to the holy land. he called the stalemate in israeli and palestinian peace talks unacceptable. both the lynn and israeli presidents have now accepted his invitation to the vatican next month to pray for peace. >> now the v.a. scandal which on memorial day weekend is especially troubling. more reports of our veterans waiting months for health care while the books are cooked to hide the problem. president obama says he wants to see more studies before taking action. we brought in chief of staff of the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america to discuss the scandal along with a doctor and whistleblower dr. moxness who says there were dangerous delays in v.a. in west virginia where she worked. this westbound, president obama finally spoke out about the scandal. here is what he said. >> if the alleges prove to be true, it is dishonorable.
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it is disgrace will. i will not tolerate it. period. >> while the rhetoric was drawn, the president did not actually do anything. he didn't fire anyone. he didn't announce any plans to fix the problem. mr. bennett, you saw lie is dithering, your words. >> we think he is. our 270,000 members and supporters were expecting more in the way of a plan of action from the president rather than waiting for another report. >> the president says, not unreasonably, he wants to see studies coming from secretary shinseki in the next week and from the inspector general and that could be july or august. there have been reports of gaming of the system back to 2008 and, in fact, president obama and we have clips we will play, president obama has been talking about precisely this problem for years. >> in veteran should have to fill a 23-page claim to get care
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or wait months or years for an appointment at the v.a. >> i pledge to build a 21st century v.a. to cut through the red tape. >> a simple mission: cut the backlogs and slash the wait times and deliver your benefits sooner. >> given all of the comments going back to 2007, does the president need still more studies before acting? >> i don't think so. at this point we agree strongly with candidate obama and the first administration obama. there have been plenty of studies and g.a.o. reports dating back to 2008 alleging gaming the system as you said and there was a transition team memo from president bush to president obama allege there was gaming going on and we have to stop studying and actually take action. >> how do you explain the fact that with all the studies, and as you say, a lot of it has been described by candidate obama in the past, why the failure to act now? >> it is a washington
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bureaucracy and it is easier to talk than to take action. i also think that there is a little bit of cynicism hoping that the story, the public attention on this, will go away soon. >> dr. moxness you were a psychiatrist at the v.a. facility in west virginia and you say the vets would often come in, you would see them, they would have serious problems and you would say i need you back in a week to 10 days and it would take them months to get back. how dangerous is that situation? >> dangerous because they were, you start a patient into car and you expose them to the risks inherent treatments, you need to watch them more lowsly in order to keep them until they are more stable. my patients were whiting in a way that made it more risky and likely to be suicidal. we doctors want to first do no
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harm, my remarks to my administration was better not be seen at all than partly treated because they are actually putting them in a worse place than before the came in. that is where we butted heads and that was our argument. >> i want to talk about the treatment of the veterans because, in fact, you say that two vets shortly before you arrived would had been waiting for care, committed suicide. explain why it is so dangerous to begin to see a veteran or any patient would has mental/emotional plan and they cannot get back to see you. >> these are unstable patients and they need to be promptly identified and put in contact with a treatment facility or as derek's organization does, network with the social resources in their communities to come up with a comprehensive treat land. you have to be nimble and quick
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and an organization like the i aba does little with not much money and much fewer staff if an efficacious manner but you have a huge bureaucracy and my clinic was good getting them in, in the 14 days but the clinic was filled to capacity and what can you do? you need more treatment staff. that is why the idea of privatization is a good idea. >> we will get to that in a second. let's talk about the argument. you did report the problems, the fact y would see someone and you want to see them two week later and they have to wait. you wrote a memo about it to your superiors. how did the immediate veries react? >> initially, the contact was verbal. i assumed they would be interested to hear what i said but i got the hear they were just letting me talk. i thought, well, in my past experience the administration respond to the written word so i did say, you will not be able to
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say you weren't warned because these men are already suicidal and partly treated more suicidal and there will be deaths and you won't be able to say you weren't warned because i am telling you, you are exposing them to a great risk. and that is when things went south. >> what happened? >> the silence fell that is i never controlled doctors and my clinic could not control the schedule or time and they put in more maybes but i could not complain because no one would answer my calls so i realized the more patients i was seeing the more i put more guys at risk and they are pushing back my parents i already had and i was see them in follow, follow-up in october and that is bad practice. >> you sound although this is years ago you sound emotional about this, dr. mo oxness?
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>> i could say and work and leave them at less risk or leave other vets at crisis. i thought maybe i could have them inconvenienced but be treated and i would not participate in something that brings young iraqi votes more harm. it was a very hard close and painful. i am very gratified to be part of what is happening now which is the light of scrutiny is being shown on the program. >> let's talk about one possible fix because this weekend the administration announced it is going to allow at least some veterans who have been waiting months for care, to get private treatment. dr. bennett, how helpful is that? >> it will be extremely helpful but it is a step that could have been put in place years ago the idea of a public-private partnership in providing veterans or anyone, really, the
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access to private health care paid for by the government when the capacity is not there at the v.a. is a no brainer. >> dr. moxness you think that is the idea of privatization allowing people who have been waiting and not getting care to go see private doctors is a good idea? >> absolutely a good idea. really, what other solution is there? i agree with mr. bennett. it should have happened a long-term ago. i hoped for that when i worked in west virginia. there were therapists and health care providers and prescribeers with open hours who would have treated them. it would not have been hard. we need them quickly the you have to be nimble. i like their organization, they are quick and they get the job done. >> when secretary shinseki testified before congress last week, the week before last, some people were struck by his lack of emotion, his lack of passion to fix the problem. watch.
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>> many allegations, any adverse incident like makes me mad as hell. >> mr. bennett, do the vets in your organization, do they still have confident in the secretary or do they think he needs to go? >> we respect the secretary's five decades of service to his country but as you played in the clip, that is a gentleman who is mad as hell in the most even towned manner i have heard. our veterans are outraged and impassion oftenned and day-by-day they are losing confidence in him. >> finally, mr. bennett, the v.a. budget has tripled. i is not for lack of money. has tripled since 2007 but the
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number of primary care visits is up 50 percent in the last three years so the question is, is the v.a. system just overwhelmed? >> most likely. there are a couple of different components. one is whether the v.a. has enough resources. as you said the budget has gone up. then it is whether they have allocated the resources and one has to wonder if they able to balance supply and demand? in addition, you cannot balance supply and demand when you shut off important streams of communication like dr. moxness leadership raising her hand and saying there is a problem and the v.a. just stops returning her calls. >> we have to lobby it there, mr. bennett and dr. moxness thanks for coming in on this holiday week. >> when we come back, top officials from the president down are said to be "mad as hell. >> about the los angeles -- v.a. scandal. scandal. we have a panel discu
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the performance review. scandal. we have a panel discu that corporate trial by fire when every slacker gets his due. and yet, there's someone around the office who hasn't had a performance review in a while. someone whose poor performance
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is slowing down the entire organization. i'm looking at you phone company dsl. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. president obama reaffirming his position on the care of veterans. and we have or guests, george will, and kimberly strassel of the "wall street journal", and charles lane from the "washington post" and, congressional republicans, then, are building a narrative from the v.a. scandal that this is all part of the incompetence of
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president obama and his big government solutions and a preview, then, of where he would take the country with obamacare. george, given the fact that the v.a. has been a troubled department for decades, is that fair? >> halfway fair. i have a smidgen of sympathy to use a favorite word. the fact is, big government is too big for meaningful oversight and effective management from the oval office to the white house. it is. he will not draw the same conclusions from that. why are we surprised that the government that runs the post office badly and runs amtrak badly, can't run a health care, delivering a postcard from (a) to (b) or a passenger from point (a) to point (b) is simpler than delivering health care? we should not be prized. >> the argument, is when the government gets involved with health care, there is no
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incentive because the doctors are on salaries and there is no incentive to see more patients so you get the backlog and the waiting times and the gaming of the system. do you buy that argument? is the v.a. now and it will be obama care later? >> v.a. is government-run health care and you have the government controlling everything. that is not what oh bear care is, it is more like in. you don't have the doctors working for obama care and the private sector has a lot of problems. if you have a problem with amtrak, i have a problem with usa air and united and american so putting things off to the private sector will make it work does not work if you consider experience with health insurance companies. this is not surprising, but it is the argument whatever is happening in the world, it is
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proof that big government is a problem. it is not surprising that is the answer here. >> kim, the argument would be, well, you get these long wait times because there isn't the profit isn'tive and you also get rationing which is what is going on in v.a. and it could happen under obama care? >> this is mismanagement and you cannot emergency a failed system. to quote a liberal economist, he calls it the triumph of socialized medicine, the v.a. it is not a triumph but when you don't have a private system and you don't have individual consumers who are making choices about their care pushing care up and pushing prices downs you have an endless demand on services and no matter how much you grow it, no matter how many good officials you put at the top, you will never effectively end the system. obama care is where we are headed. that is the entire premise, more
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free care, more of government providing a mandate that you as a consumer supposedly deserve. at a certain point the system cannot handle that burden. >> kim, another house democratic leader nancy pelosi had her particular take on what has causedded scandal. look at this. >> navy, when we go to are what, we should thing of the consequences and the notification. you would think that would be a given. but, maybe, it wasn't. >> the president, also, touched on that in the a statement in the white house briefing room that these are the fruits of a decade of war. >> this are not many things that nancy pelosi would not blame on george bush but the reality is, the numbers, again, here are, in fact, wrong of the it is true that iraq and afghanistan war which is considered the v.a. crisis, they think of the most recent wars, those have been extensive wars particularly in temperatures of the medical
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injury and fatigue and brain injuries. you look, and the g.a.o. has explained this, the vast burden on the v.a. is coming from vietnam and korean veterans and not just because they have war-related injuries but they are of that able, with the health issues related to everyone else their able. those are the primary cause of the v.a. money problems. >> this scandal is politically potent precisely because it is so nonpolitical. we all, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, care about our veterans. >> these are men and women who served our country and -- we can't let them down. we have let them die. this is awful stuff and someone needs to be held accountable. >> can republicans convince voters to hold democratic
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candidates running for election or re-election in the mid-temperatures to hold them accountable for the v.a. scandal? >> that certainly is what they are trying to do. speaker boehner house colleagues have passed a bill already rather quickly to enhance the authority of the v.a. to fire people without the usual protections they had before. veterans, as a group, it is true, everyone respects and plaintiffs veterans as they should. but veterans as a group are politically interesting. they are over all conservative people because they have a military background but most of them are older men but they depend on big government so they are in an interesting space in our political system. it is awkward for republicans to be in the position of saying, we will making big government work better because usually their position is privatize, maybe smaller government work.
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that is kind of a jam the republicans are in. president obama, of course, has been pushing very hard and his wife has been working with the military families, trying to turn the veterans into a democratic group based on the younger and more diverse military we have. this is a huge set back to that effort. >> george? >> the republican problem in the following way, kirstens is amtrak has trouble and so do usa airs. airlines go out of business. amtrak is run by a government that prints money and can never let am tram go out of business no matter how many wills with it loses. what the republicans should see is this: this weekend, memorial day weekend, americans are driving on the interstate highway system. when the government decided to build that, and the country needed it, it did not go into the highway building business and start a federal highway construction company. it dealt with the private sector. it got done.
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they can do the same with this. there is no reason why you give people vouchers to be deemed in -- no ron you cannot give vouchers to the veterans to be used in private hospitals. what you do you think? >> a fiercely divided ukraine votes on a new leader amid a surge in violence. we will talk with the senator in ukraine as part of a group monitoring the election. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "limit your hard earned cash back" card . it's not the "confused by rotating categories" card. it's the no-category-gaming, no-look-passing, clear-the-lane-i'm- going-up-strong, backboard-breaking, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, every single day.
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we mentioned the rampage in california at the to which the show and we go to dominic in santa barbara with the latest. this weekend is marred by the work of a madman and that is how people in the area will remember the act of murder and savagery. several thousand turned out walking through the area last night.
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the father after 20-year-old student would was gunned down spoke. >> when will this insanity stop? when will enough people say stop this madness, we doesn't have to live like this. too many have died. we should stay to ourselves, not one more. >> the foot average the killing reveals people diving for cover inside the store. the investigation is proceeding on several fronts. the ten separate locations of this and the sheriff is saying that the main target was a sorority house where he shot three women outside. he stabbed to death three people in a apartment complex probably the roommate and the youtube videos where he pledges his day of retribution is how he described it because "no beautiful girl wants to be my
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girlfriend." he continues, i will take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. there is the blood chilling manifesto filled with vicious hatred toward women and his plans to kill as many as possible. >> here is what we know of roger. he was 22, the son of assistant director of "hunger games" in therapy with a high functioning patient with asperger. >> and the family requested we he be visited by a specialist. he said that he had officers step inside of the apartment at the time they would have discovered the deadly arsenal, three semi-automatic handguns and 500 unspent rounds of ammunition all obligated legally. >> thank you, dominic. a critical election in ukraine
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as voters head to the polls to pick a new president and hope to ease the stand off with russia. and now to greg palkot who is in a stronghold of pro-russian separatists. >> it is a tense day in this region with separatives doing everything they can to derail the presidential election. they are seizing and smashing ballot boxes. they are blocking vote ares from going to the polls. they are attacking polling stations and showing off their well armed muscle all around town. for example, here in the city of a million, there is no one voting. across the region, officials say only around 20 percent of the election districts are functioning and we stopped in on one. take a look at what we saw.
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something rare, voting in the presidential election with the turn 9,000 we are told is pretty normal but the people here we are told are a bit nervous. >> even if that clip we saw a heavily armed pro kiev group waiting to do battle if militants arrive. across the rest of the country, voting is going as planned and the turnout is said to be high. the election is seen as locking in games from pro democracy uprisings this year and maybe getting a government in place that can deal with the situation here and deal with russia. vladimir putin has claimed he will respect the outcome of the vote. thank you from ukraine, greg palkot. >> our panel will discuss the situation. george, let's assume that it
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will go as we specific, some areas in the east it is blocked and in the west it will go west. in the west there are if. ro russian separatist would have if some cases literally broken the ballot boxes. where does that leave ukraine? >> it leaves ukraine in a position where vladimir putin can say that it is his sacred obligation to defend russian minorities outside of the borders of russia and he can say that this election, the purple of which is to legitimate maze something didn't legitimatize anything else and he will have an excuse to propose or to enforce the partition of ukraine which seems to be what he is after in the first place. we forget that during the world war ii when there were no foreign troops on british soil, the british didn't hold an election but suspended elections. it is difficult to do this in the chaos they are expensing there. >> there is another possible and that is, that the ukraine government is talking more and
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more about greater autonomy for the east and the frontrunner in this election and we will put his picture on the screen is a gentleman known as the candy tycoon or the chocolate king. he has had a hit of dealing with both the ukraine people and russia and kirsten there is feeling he can do business with both sides. is it possible that vladimir putin looks at it that he could end up as president and will say i will not go in but i can deal with this guy, he won't take an aggressively pro western position and i will have a lot of influence over eastern ukraine. i can do it without having my finger prints all over. >> that is the hope, that vladimir putin will back down but it hasn't seemed to be his style. that is the feeling of the administration which is why they haven't done that much other than trying to invokes sanctions
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because they don't feel they have a lot of criminal over what vladimir putin will do. he seems to be obviously very aggressive and wanting to be an agreecor in the situation so it would be great if he felt he could work with him. but that weres to be seen. >> but kim there is backing off on the part of put in. he has talked about pulling trolls out and now nato is saying, well, it looks like he is pulling troops out from the border. he has talked that they would recognize the results of the election. is it possible he feets that as margaret thatcher said about gosh -- gorbachev this is a government we can do business with. >> he has been careful to do this in a way you would not be
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able to trace it back to the kremlin. he understands, now, that the world realizes he is a bad actor. that is probably influencing what he is doing. >> charles? >> i don't know whether he has been deterred or whatever, but, i think he also is, perhaps, responding to the fact that in the eastern ukraine, all the disruptions, provocations, violence that his minions and face it, these are we russian agents and soldiers. they are not pro russian ukranian, have not been able to stir up a big popular revolt for joining russia. in fact, the popular response has been pretty modest. i think he may have realized that was a limitation on what he could do, perhaps more than
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anything the west was imposing on him. remember during the cold war finland didn't join nato and stayed in the gray area and now this is supposed to be the happy ending that awaits ukraine? that would have to be negotiated between the next government and, unfortunately, unless the west stands behind whatever legitimate comes from the election, the deal they would have to cut to achieve even that ending could be very unfavorable to ukraine and favorable to russia but it seems that vladimir putin is awaiting the outcome of the election and see what sort of a deal is cut. >> let me throw out a controversial extension of this, this has been a lot of criticism at the table of the argument that president obama and the europeans have been very weak if
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their sanctions against russia and the slow, targeted sanctions. is it possible at the end of the day that it will have been maybe the muddling through, in a way, but vladimir putin will have taken crimea but it will not be worst case scenario where vladimir putin rolls in to the ukraine and takes over? >> it is possible we could say such astrength he showed, he shows because he fears sanctions we have not put on but it seems that is three or four suppositions deep. clearly he can do what he wants. europe is hostage to the lowest common nominator of resistance which is germany now. the sons hostage to europe because it doesn't look if we can do much on our own other
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than make ourselves feel good by imposing sanctions that would be porous if they are only from us. >> kim, if you can finish this, your thoughts whether president obama and the europeans and their targeted sanctions could end up looking better than they did a month ago? >> the only problem is it ignores all harm alrepeople thae uprisings which may not have happened if america had a firmer like in the beginning. also, america has looked very weak, vladimir putin knows he can roll in to some of the places and largely not be pushed back other than, as you said, keep it a slow and rolling targeted sanctions. he could have internal reasons for deciding and that is an aspect, we don't know the push back he is getting in a country that has itself a weak economy. there is a bit worry of what comes next and he may feel at this point that some sort of
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quiet or minimal retreat, but, precedent has been set that do not help the country or eastern or western europe. >> we will point out we promised we would have senator kelly ayotte from kiev part of an international observing group but it is raining in kiev and because it is raining our satellite isn't working. i cannot explain that. i liked it better when we had long strings with two cups at the end of it. ever notice the president's answer when its comes to scandals? >> i learn about it from the same news reports i think most people learned. >> our sunday panel discusses what that is all about. >> what would you like to ask the panel about the president and accountability? go to facebook or twitter and we could use your question on the air. if i told you that a free ten-second test
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this is awkward. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. >> first, i first learned about this the same news reports most people learned. >> we don't have independent knowledge. he found out about it on the road with the news reports. >> specific allegations were reported by your network in phoenix, we learned through the reports. >> president obama is the most powerful man in the tree world always seems to be the last to know what going on if his administration. >> president obama taking some heat after he and top aides repeatedly claim that the president learned about scandal you theretod myia. we are back with the panel. we ask you for questions for the panel and we got a little on the topic. this was posted "how did an
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administration would learns all the important news through the media," and from chris on twitter "good thing we have the news, that is how he learns about a lot of things in his own administration." and kim, why do you think the white house keeps playing this card? >> because they cannot say they did know or the next question is, why didn't you do anything? or why would were allowing this to go on. you have to wonder if there is a scandal manual in the top drawer of the president's desk? it isn't just the "i heard about it from the media," there are five steps the administration repeats when a scandal comes up such as i didn't know, and express great outrage and then fire a low level bureaucrat. >> and the study. >>the study next. >> and we will wait and he what the igor f.b.i. investigation or whatever, and that doesn't stop, six months later you say it is either, (a), done, or, (b), all
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the originals have been pushed out. it goes on and on. you could take not just the clips of him repeating again and again "i didn't know," you listen to the press conferences it is the same language every time. it is eerie. >> chuck, when you see the pattern that has happened over and over again it makes him look out of touch. >> it does but he is in a trap. he can't say, yes, i had detailed knowledge of all these things going on because then everyone would wonder, why didn't you do anything? i give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. there is a lot of talk, he doesn't seem angry, and shinseki doesn't seem angry, come open, this is not about emotions it is fair for a president offer anyone else who is confronting with this kind of information to say, i'm checking into it.
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i want to find out the real facts. that is a perfectly legitimate response but you have to fine them. he has to come out and find a way to express them forthrightly and convincingly. >> we are making up this show, we hear the rain stopped, the satellite is working in kiev, and senator ayotte, i hope you are there. i will get to you before the wind changes. from the reports you have received and you are part of an international observing group, how is the election going in ukraine? are people getting a chance to vote for a new president in the way you seen is widely let egypt election? >> what we have seen is high turnout law ukraine. obviously, the security situation is preventing many people from voting and i want to make clear there is one person to bridge for that security
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situation. that is vladimir putin. he has had strategic control of what is happening there. it is paid mercenaries and also the violence and the intimidation and the fear for the people that live in the row john. >> you mention there was a lot of talk and considerable violence from pro-russian separatists who were not going to allow the election to take place and you are in kiev but what reports have you getting from the eastern part in how effective the separatists have been in disrupting the election in that part of the country? >> unfortunately, we don't have observers there because of the security situation and they have disrupted the elections there but in the rest of ukraine particularly in kiev the polling stations, high turnout, people are waiting, they want to exercise their right to vote and elect a new president and what you see here is actually push
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back against what has happened with the russian aggression. that is what we are seeing in this part of the country. make no mistake, obviously in the eastern part of ukraine, those elections are being disrupted for many ukranians and putten is the one that can dial this up or dial this down. >> the big favorite to win the election as we have mentioned, the candy tycoon who known as the "chocolate king." if he gets more than 50 percent of the vote he avoided a run off otherwise this is a run off in mid-june. not to prejudge the election but if he were to win and he is seen as someone who can do business with the west and west, where does that leave ukraine? >> actually i met with him yesterday along with our delegation. where i think it leaves ukraine, he was very clear, actually,
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that he would not accept the annexation of crimea and he would like us to increase our support in terms of their military, he would also, i think, as you look, he will try to reach out to eastern ukraine to establish more communication and ties there for the people who are there but he also wants to continue and i think there's a general feeling here of pushing back on putin, so they can have security in that area, because obviously those violence being fomented interferes with unifying the country. >> i'm glad the rain stopped, i'm glad we got to talk to u you. >> thanks, chris, appreciate it. >> let's change subjects here at home, after a lot of back and forth, democratic leader nancy pelosi has appointed five democrats to the house select committee on benghazi, here was
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her explanation. >> i i do think it's important for the american people, to have a pursuit of these questions done in a fair and open and balanced way possible, that simply would not be possible, leaving it to the republicans. >> is that the right move for democrats? and how much do you think this is a as a result of former secretary of state hillary clinton, her and her staff wanting some democrats there, as they used to say on "who wants to be a millionaire" do you want to use a lifeline? >> it's a tactical decision. >> nancy pelosi made her calculation as her caucus did for her. it's better to be in the room than not in the room. i think that may not be true. if i were hillary clinton, and i was destined to be before this committee, i would rather be
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daniel in the den of lions by itself. it's better optics. and republicans should remember the last time the committee, not the last time, but one of the last times the committee had someone in their sights since they were really going to get this guy, it was later fox news contributor oliver north who stood up in his uniform and changed the dynamic of the iran contra hearing. they should be careful what they wish for. >> it's always dangerous when the dog actually catches the car that it is facing. kirsten your feels about what the democrats decided because this was a tough call for them. >> i felt it was better for them to be there than not be there. because they don't feel like this is a real issue and it won't give the republicans free range to do whatever they want. and i think pelosi wants them there, she's chosen people to be on the committee who's already investigated this so they can say, this is old news, we have already seen this, to simply tamp down that there are new
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revelations coming. i don't think it's to send a lifeline to hillary clinton, i don't think hillary clinton needs a lifeline, but for other people who need to come in to try to help them out. >> thank you, panel. thank senator ayotte. up next our power player of the week, honoring america's fallen with 24 musical notes.
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it's a holiday tradition to that we profile a man who created his own special project to make every day a memorial day. he's our power player of the week. >> they're only playing 24 notes, but it's so meaningful for that family. [ taps playing ] >> he's talking about playing taps at the funerals of veterans and he should know. [ taps playing ] >> he's the founder and president of an organization called bugles across america. >> all told, how many have you done since you started bugles across america. >> 200,000. >> really? >> in ten years, right. >> it started in 2000 when congress gave every vet the right to a funeral with military honors.
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including two uniformed officers to present plags and play taps. the problem was the military only had 500 buglers. so they sent someone to play a recorded taps on a boom box or an electronic device inside a bugle. tom day who played for the marines in the 50s. >> i call it in stolen dignity, that these veterans can't have live taps when we were out there to perform live taps. >> so he started his organization, relayers within a >> we have 260 horn players. we're doing 2,200 funeral a month. >> it becomes quite a an operation that day runs from his office. families can get on his website to ask for a bugler. >> a message is sent to every
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horn player within 100 miles of the funeral. day gives away bugles and helps with uniforms. while they get support from foundations, he runs a deficit every year. >> how do you make up for the short fall? >> i kind of make it up myself. >> $15,000, $20,000 a year? >> probably $10,000. you finish the last of the 24 notes you put the horn down, the flag has been presented, the family comes over, the kisses, the hand shakes from his families, there is nothing, no amount of money could ever buy the feeling that i get from the family once i finish the 24 notes. >> with soldiers killed in iraq and afghanistan, plus 1,800 veterans of world war ii dying every day, there is a flood of military funerals. day says he wants to keep going until he dies. then leave his organization in solid shape to carry on. >> i want every family to have
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live taps at that going away presentation of their veteran and it kind of tells the marines who are guarding the gates in heaven, live taps, we're going to let this veteran ride in. >> since we first ran this story five years ago, tom day's organization has more than 5,400 active members. and the pentagon credits them with playing at 35% of all veterans' funerals. if you want to learn more, go to i hope you take a moment to remember all the veterans who have given their lives defending freedom. and we'll see you next fox news sunday.
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tonight on huckabee... >> they chose to be greater people. >> war hero on helping fellow veterans transition into this civilian work force. >> part of the training and skills. >> and... scandal at the va. >> these allegations prove to be true, it's dishonorable. it's disgraceful. and i will not tolerate it. >> a former veteran's affairs hospital doctor says reports of mistreatment are not isolated cases. >> some cascases, i did see bet